Talk:Dragon Breeds

Amazing image. This is without doubt one of the best pages on the wiki. I can't believe I've only just discovered it. --Andrew 04:28, 6 November 2007 (PST)

Dragon Names

I wonder if we should attempt to make names for the other Chinese dragons. For instance, we know that Celestial Dragons are Lung Tien "Name" (Dragon Celestial "Name"), and Imperials are Qin. Though not explicitly stated, the Shen-Lung dragons are almost certainly Lung Shen, and their page should possibly be titled Spiritual Dragon. Yu can translate as Jade, so that covers Jade Dragons. The only two Chinese dragons we don't have names for are the "Emerald Glass" and the "Scarlet Flower". Is anyone on this wiki familiar enough with the Chinese language to translate the names and create a conjectural name?

Breeds by country

Should we sort the dragon breeds by their country of origin on this page, or should we create another page for them. I just realised that there is at least one type of dragon (a small purple breed from China) that we have no other information about, and as such we won't be able to create a page for it. But, if this page was sorted by country, then we could add a note in the Chinese Breeds section about it. Thoughts on this?

Perhaps start a new page called something like "List of dragon breeds by country of origin" that can be put at the top of this Dragon Breeds category index? Maybe then we could move the Dragons in America and Dragons in Canada page there, since they are sort of miscategorized in the "Dragons" secetion, which is pimarily individual dragons? -- strangerface

I'd suggest adding countries of origin as indexed subcategories, in the same way that the "Category:People" page is already set up. --Wombat1138 19:51, 12 August 2010 (PDT)

Agreed. How about listing them in order of size in these categories, if such information is known?

An update; I've just sorted all of the breeds into groups of native country and size. Some of these I had to guess at, si I marked these with asterisks and said as much at the top of the section. The question I have is should the sizes as given in the fan-image of all the dragon breeds be accepted as canon, or should we use that as a guide?

Do we know whether the fan artist had any extra information from NN about relative sizes? Technically, it would be useful to have every official citation of dragon size from the series-- but it would be just as tedious to compile all of those cites as it would be to read them. WRT the national origin sections, my first impulse was to try correlating the numbers within each subsection to the main art index numbers at the start of the article... I wonder if it would be worthwhile to change the art index into a dynamic table that included (and could be sorted by) national origin, though I'm not sure how the sizes could be factored into that. (An easier way might be to simply color-code individual breed names in the existing art index.)--Wombat1138 15:02, 14 August 2010 (PDT)

Another thought on visually coding the breed names-- how about marking different national origins by color, and marking weights by putting heavyweights in bold, middleweights in normal font, and lightweights in italics? --Wombat1138 21:36, 29 August 2010 (PDT)

With regards to the Table idea; sounds good. I've thought for a while now that the large picture should be edited to better group the dragons, as at the moment it's just all over the place. So, how about a table that has the name in the first box, country of origin in the next, weight in the third, and finally the picture in the fourth? We could even add an extra box listing names, but that could make it a bit lengthy. On the other hand, it might make sense to sort them in the way they are at the bottom of the page currently, if we can come up with an accurate list of weights.

As for the cites, they shouldn't take too long; it's just a matter of finding the odd descriptive quote, adding them with Sir Edward Howe's notes and adding the odd bit of speculation. For instance, it's safe to say that the Winchester breed is the smallest English breed. We know that the Grey Widowmaker is a small breed that was bred with Winchesters to create the Greyling, so presumably the Greyling is smaller than the Widowmaker. We also know that the Grey Coppers are smaller dragons, so it could be that they were a cross between Bright Coppers and Grey Widowmakers. That's nearly the entire Lightweight section sorted out. From memory, Anglewings are slightly larger than Yellow Reapers (and I would assume, based on the descriptions, that Malachite Reapers are of a similar size to Yellow Reapers). I'll come back to this later when I've had a chance to consult my notes. BTW, what do you think about the link below to Wikipedia? Has any of that information regarding weights turned up in the books before?Almaron 02:11, 30 August 2010 (PDT)

These notes on Wikipedia may have merit; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temeraire_(series)#Dragon_classification_by_size

Weight classification

Can anyone confirm if the information on this Wikipedia page is accurate? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temeraire_(series)#Dragon_classification_by_size

If it is, then we can update the list to show that the Grey Widowmaker breed is Lightweight (8 tons, courtesy of Sir Edward Howe's notes) and larger than the Greyling (which would make sense if they'd crossbred with a Winchester), and that the Cauchador Real is a Heavyweight. Almaron 14:39, 22 August 2010 (PDT)