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So what do you guys think? - [[User:JediAutobot|JediAutobot]] 11:31, 15 March 2007 (PDT) - Stick a sig on :) thanks :)
 
So what do you guys think? - [[User:JediAutobot|JediAutobot]] 11:31, 15 March 2007 (PDT) - Stick a sig on :) thanks :)
  
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It's definately ambigious. Clearly the chinese do use Dragons for war on a regular basis, but outside of China, this is the sole way dragons are employed, or at least that's all we've seen so far. Inside China, they seem to have free career choice, with some breeds more suited and likely to go into the military. I think it does need changing and expanding on, though perhaps in a seperate article as it has the potential to become very involved. In reference to Celestials specifically, I'd go for both being right. Celestials are not generally used for war, but the French methods are taken straight from Chinese war techniques. It's my belief that Celestials have fought in the past and would be prepared to fight again if it were necessary, but China's current relationship with the rest of the world doesn't require it.
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It's definitely ambiguous. Clearly the Chinese do use Dragons for war on a regular basis, but outside of China, this is the sole way dragons are employed, or at least that's all we've seen so far. Inside China, they seem to have free career choice, with some breeds more suited and likely to go into the military. I think it does need changing and expanding on, though perhaps in a seperate article as it has the potential to become very involved. In reference to Celestials specifically, I'd go for both being right. Celestials are not generally used for war, but the French methods are taken straight from Chinese war techniques. It's my belief that Celestials have fought in the past and would be prepared to fight again if it were necessary, but China's current relationship with the rest of the world doesn't require it.
  
 
The Divine wind is clearly a military skill, it's not is if they are likely to be using Celestials in the construction industy. --[[User:Andrew|Andrew]] 17:25, 14 March 2007 (PDT)
 
The Divine wind is clearly a military skill, it's not is if they are likely to be using Celestials in the construction industy. --[[User:Andrew|Andrew]] 17:25, 14 March 2007 (PDT)
  
 
I think the conotation of the original sentence "that the Chinese generally do not use the dragons for war" implied that they only send dragons to war sparingly, which is not true. I changed it to "Unlike the British or French, the Chinese do not use dragons exclusively for wars" because I thought the original poster intended to say the dragons had a career choices besides warfare. Let me know if that's not the case. - [[User:Strangerface|Strangerface]] 16:41, 16 March 2007 (PDT)
 
I think the conotation of the original sentence "that the Chinese generally do not use the dragons for war" implied that they only send dragons to war sparingly, which is not true. I changed it to "Unlike the British or French, the Chinese do not use dragons exclusively for wars" because I thought the original poster intended to say the dragons had a career choices besides warfare. Let me know if that's not the case. - [[User:Strangerface|Strangerface]] 16:41, 16 March 2007 (PDT)
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I think the last paragraph could do with some work. The quote for example seems confusing; "In China, it is the dragon that chooses the captain. Also, the choosing does not happen at hatching. All potential captains go to school first. These classrooms also have dragon students." I'd expect that Captains attend school in every country :) But in the Chinese case, my reading of the situation was that young dragons were kept separated from humans, and taught exclusively by other dragons to avoid the possibility of a young dragon forming a bond with a human. Only after they "graduate" do they meet humans and choose a captain. --[[User:Andrew|Andrew]] 02:46, 17 March 2007 (PDT)
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I corrected the phrase ' only one breed is used for war'  with regaurds to Chinese dragons.  While the Scarlet Flowers are all fighters because of there temprement, and thus comprise a major part of the chinese dragonforce, members of  other dragon breeds  do join the armed forces.  Laurence sees an  member 'Emerald Glass' breed  in that role when he tours peking ( page 304 in my edition of Throne of Jade) and is informed  by Zhao Wei that only the lower Breeds ( plural) would consider such work. [[User:Joedylan|Joedylan]] 13:41, 17 June 2008 (PDT)

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I wanted some feedback on the sentence that the Chinese do not use dragons for war. I kinda disagree because they do have a Corps with all female members, and from Black Powder War, the French seem to adapt a lot of dragon techniques for war. It seems that it is only certain breeds are not considered suitable for war, like the Celestials. But on the other hand, it's unclear in Black Powder War that if the new French methods are adapted from peaceful Chinese dragon customs or taken straight from Chinese war techniques.

So what do you guys think? - JediAutobot 11:31, 15 March 2007 (PDT) - Stick a sig on :) thanks :)

It's definitely ambiguous. Clearly the Chinese do use Dragons for war on a regular basis, but outside of China, this is the sole way dragons are employed, or at least that's all we've seen so far. Inside China, they seem to have free career choice, with some breeds more suited and likely to go into the military. I think it does need changing and expanding on, though perhaps in a seperate article as it has the potential to become very involved. In reference to Celestials specifically, I'd go for both being right. Celestials are not generally used for war, but the French methods are taken straight from Chinese war techniques. It's my belief that Celestials have fought in the past and would be prepared to fight again if it were necessary, but China's current relationship with the rest of the world doesn't require it.

The Divine wind is clearly a military skill, it's not is if they are likely to be using Celestials in the construction industy. --Andrew 17:25, 14 March 2007 (PDT)

I think the conotation of the original sentence "that the Chinese generally do not use the dragons for war" implied that they only send dragons to war sparingly, which is not true. I changed it to "Unlike the British or French, the Chinese do not use dragons exclusively for wars" because I thought the original poster intended to say the dragons had a career choices besides warfare. Let me know if that's not the case. - Strangerface 16:41, 16 March 2007 (PDT)

I think the last paragraph could do with some work. The quote for example seems confusing; "In China, it is the dragon that chooses the captain. Also, the choosing does not happen at hatching. All potential captains go to school first. These classrooms also have dragon students." I'd expect that Captains attend school in every country :) But in the Chinese case, my reading of the situation was that young dragons were kept separated from humans, and taught exclusively by other dragons to avoid the possibility of a young dragon forming a bond with a human. Only after they "graduate" do they meet humans and choose a captain. --Andrew 02:46, 17 March 2007 (PDT)


I corrected the phrase ' only one breed is used for war' with regaurds to Chinese dragons. While the Scarlet Flowers are all fighters because of there temprement, and thus comprise a major part of the chinese dragonforce, members of other dragon breeds do join the armed forces. Laurence sees an member 'Emerald Glass' breed in that role when he tours peking ( page 304 in my edition of Throne of Jade) and is informed by Zhao Wei that only the lower Breeds ( plural) would consider such work. Joedylan 13:41, 17 June 2008 (PDT)

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