Talk:Lung Tien Xian

Do we have proof that Xian and Grandfather are the same Celestial? I thought Qian's quote about her lineage, that she was "hatched of Xian" suggested that Xian was a female, now deceased (Of course, Qian could be being poetic, and instead means that she is of Xian's line).

I was just about to ask this. Ha. Talking about it over on the Celestial talk page. I don't think it is the case. --- Strangerface 17:34, 15 August 2010 (PDT)

On further consideration, perhaps the user that linked Grandfather and Xian assumed the name "Grandfather" meant he was literally Temeraire's grandfather, and thus had to be the same dragon as Qian's sire. But it could just as easily be a term of endearment. Or he may be Qian's grandfather, and thus Temeraire's great-grandfather? -- Strangerface 17:41, 15 August 2010 (PDT)

I suppose the reasoning behind it comes from Qian counting off her family, she mentions "besides Grandfather and Chu", and prior to that she has mentioned Xian, Grandfather & Chu. Of course, she is referring to the remaining dragons, so Xian could have died. However, I find I prefer Xian as "Grandfather" (which he would technically be to Qian, if my current table is right), and Ming or Zhi (probably Ming, as she listed him first) as Qian's father. Plus, I think the page is gone now, but a while back someone had pointed out that "Xian" meant first, or beginning, or something that suited Grandfather, being the first of their Celestial Dynasty.

- User:Almaron (how do you get it to leave the text after your name?)

And also, now that I think of it, there could be countless deceased Celestial relations, but that strikes me as unlikely when Grandfather is still alive. That would make Ming and Zhi cousins of Qian, and mean that both their and Qian's parents were deceased, but again, I think that's unlikely when Grandfather is alive, and it's not like a Celestial faces any major threat to their life at any time in China.