Editing Talk:Main Page

== Important Note Re Spam and Vandalism, and New Accounts ==

As you may have noticed, we've had a terrible problem with spam and vandalism lately.  To combat this, from now on, accounts need to be added to an "approved" group before they can actually edit any pages.

I've gone through the list of users (most of which are spam/vandal accounts, sadly) and added everyone I recognized or with a user profile to the approved group.  If I somehow missed you, please don't be upset, I swear, it's not personal.  Just drop me a note at whitearrow at livejournal.com and I will add you right away.

If you are a brand new user, click [http://temeraire.org/wiki/activate_wiki.html here] to activate your account.  This page also has instructions on checking how to see if you've been activated.

I'm sorry for any inconvenience, but the spam thing is a real nightmare and we have to take strong steps to stop it.

ETA: I believe we have fixed any pages that were vandalized, but if I missed any, please let me know asap -- leave a note at [[User_talk:Whitearrow|my usertalk]].  Thanks! 

-[[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]] 18:49, 10 June 2007 (PDT)

== Older Notes ==

== More Templates! ==

There are now templates for People, Dragons, and Dragon Species.  Have a look at [[:Category:Templates]], and for usage, look at the source on [[Temeraire]], [[William Laurence]] and [[Regal Copper]].

Sekrit to Lydia -- the way to keep Category:Templates off the pages that use the templates is to put this code on the template page:

<nowiki>
<noinclude>
[[Category:Templates]]
</noinclude>
</nowiki>

--[[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]] 12:30, 15 September 2006 (PDT)

== Conventions ==

I've started a page [[help:Conventions|here]] for conventions for this wiki -- let's talk about any specifics over there.

--[[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]] 11:40, 19 September 2006 (PDT)

== French names & such ==

I've moved Amitié to Amite -- let's bail on the accented characters for wiki purposes. It's only going to get worse with the Pecheurs and such, and either having to remember the alt-character or copying and pasting all the time is hereby deemed a pain :)

-[[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]] 19:08, 20 September 2006 (PDT)

== Alphabetical listings of names ==

Aha!  To have characters sort in the category pages by last names, enter the categories like so:

<nowiki>[[Category:A-Z|Laurence, William]]</nowiki>

(You have to include this for each relevant category in the article.)

The listing will still show up as "William Laurence" but it will appear under L instead of W.

(BTW to add signature and timestamp to your Talk posts, it's a 4 tildes (~).  I use a dash first, so like so to produce my sig line below: <nowiki>-~~~~</nowiki>

"Life's a dance, you learn as you go" -- just like wikicode :)

-[[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]] 14:26, 22 September 2006 (PDT)

== Questions to consider ==

One thing we need to sort out fairly quickly is the question of page references.  I'd prefer to avoid them as much as possible -- for one thing, there are already at least three printed editions of the books out there, not to mention the numerous digital ones, and pagination is going to differ in each.

I'd rather paraphrase than use direct quotes, but if a direct quote is, on rare occasion, needed, we can use a chapter reference rather than page.  It's less specific, but at least it will be accurate for all present and future editions.

For another thing, I'd rather take a "historical" approach, rather than a literary one... by that I mean treat this Wiki as if we're writing about real people, places and events, rather than literary characters.  So instead of "character x died in ToJ" -- character x died in an engagement over the Channel with the French in early 1806" or whatever.  

In that same vein, let's use past tense, both for consistency and to keep the "historical" feeling.

Comments?  These aren't alterations that need to be made right away; we can edit things as we go.

-[[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]]

I'm an English major so I'm obviously the one taking the literary approach here. I've had it drilled into my head that quoting or paraphrasing without a citation is plagiarism so I'm kind of iffy on that. And as you can see from all the page references I made over the weekend, I'm a big fan. I just thought people would want to be able to go see for themselves, especially if there is more information contained therein that we're not saying. 

I'm not adverse to chapter references if you'd rather though. [[User:Strangerface|Strangerface]] 13:53, 25 September 2006 (PDT)

I like the "historical" approach more because I find it more immediate, and that it immerses you in the world.  But I still think we need to use past tense verbs -- basically, the conceit is we're writing about things that have already happened.

As much as possible,  I'd prefer not to do references at all, and keep quotes to an absolute, utter minimum, when there's just no other way to say something, which I think will be rare.  So I don't think there's anything wrong with physical descriptions, say, being paraphrased -- there are only so many ways to say someone is tall with dark hair :) and I don't think any reference is necessary for that kind of thing.  

Otherwise, where do we draw the line?  Do we need references for everything?  That's kind of a nightmare, and if something like the Encyclopedia of Arda (LotR) can do without them, I think we can too.  If an issue comes up about whether something is correct, I think the Talk pages are a perfect place to discuss, list references, and see where everybody is coming from.  I understand the English-major tendency, and I share it to a large degree, but I think we want to keep this accurate -- but at the same time fun, and something people want to work on.

I think, when references are necessary, it will have to be chapters, unless there's some way to reconcile the page number problem in all the different editions, and I don't think there is. 

-[[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]]


We seem to be at an impasse then. The only other two encyclopedia type sites I've worked with are http://www.towerofthehand.com/ and  http://www.hp-lexicon.org.  I was actually thinking, since you mentioned it, it would ultimately be better to do the references similarly to the way HP Lexicon does, with a chapter date since editions change. 

But I was keeping page numbers on the Temeraire crew page so I could go back and add individual pages for them later. 

[[User:Strangerface|Strangerface]] 18:49, 25 September 2006 (PDT)

I'm not sure what to say, then -- I just feel like requiring that would be too cumbersome, and having it in some places and not others is just inconsistent and unhelpful.  I have no problem in whipping out references on a Talk page if something is disputed, but having them all over the place... I'd rather not. 

I'm not going to go through and massively delete them, for now, especially if you find it helpful in developing other content, but in the medium-long term, I'd like to see them diminish.  Notes can be kept indefinitely as entries on Talk pages, especially for details that might be hard to find -- does that help address your concerns? 

-[[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]]

Are there going to be other people helping with the site? Maybe other opinions would be helpful? 

It's just, when you emailed me about this project, one of the reasons I thought it'd be a great idea was because when I was when disucssing in a fandom or writing fanfic, I'm always struggling to find where I saw information. And I use those other sites you mentioned as an index ''as well as'' a referesher if I forget who people are. But that's just my approach, I can see that you want something different now. And I understand what you're saying about referencing everything, because at some point people ought to just pick up the books themselves. Perhaps if, in our ever expanding timeline section, we kept like a summary of what happens in each chapter, so people would know where to find things. And then we could keep the references out of the entires unless we're quoting directly? [[User:Strangerface|Strangerface]] 20:04, 25 September 2006 (PDT)

I like the idea of some reference to where the information comes from. Taking on board the different editions issue, perhaps book and chapter references is the way to go. I know that I can't remember having read anything about the Japanese water projecting dragon except on the internet, and everytime I do, I wonder where it is and think about re-reading looking for it specifically. --[[User:Andrew|Andrew]] 02:14, 12 January 2007 (PST)

Just to note that the past tense style is noticably jarring on the profile pages. Partucularly when you read '''Status: Active''' Such a person was... --[[User:Andrew|Andrew]] 04:25, 12 January 2007 (PST)

== Dragons  ==

I changed both the category and template for "Dragon Species" to "Dragon Breeds," which is more accurate.  The template is [[:template:DragonBreeds]] and category is [[:Category:Dragon Breeds|Dragon Breeds]].  

-[[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]]

== A plea for proper attribution ==

As a regular [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Phil_Boswell Wikipedian], I would obviously like to have everything properly attributed.
As to the question of pages vs chapters, I haven't seen the US editions, but it would surprise me if the pagination were to prove identical; this would also apply to different editions from the same country.
If the books are translated into other languages this difficulty would obviously increase.
I would therefore prefer to use chapter references.

If it were '''possible''' to use numbered paragraphs, that would be optimal, but there's such a thing as taking a good idea too far ;-)

On the question of US vs UK editions, I would make a plea that all information from ''[[Black Powder War]]'' be clearly demarcated, since this book hasn't yet been published here in the UK.

If I can be of any assistance with the workings of a wiki, please let me know.
I hope to be able to look in fairly regularly, although I only own the first book so far, so my contributions are likely to be more in the way of formatting and tidying up.

If anybody would like to help me keep the appropriate articles on Wikipedia up-to-date, that would be great: just be aware that those would require '''far''' less detail than here ;-)
HTH HAND —[[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 07:26, 14 December 2006 (PST)

Phil, I appreciate the sentiment, but as our approach is historical, rather than literary, it raises two problems -- one is of the differing versions and pagination (different editions in the US, UK and Australia, the omnibus of books 1-3, and at least three electronic editions) and the other is the way it would interrupt the narrative type of encyclopedia entries we are striving for to include constant references.  Also, at this point, going back and attempting to track down every reference would be incredibly time consuming.

We've been using the Talk pages for obscure references and such, and explanations of information that's been deduced from numerous sources (e.g., [[Laurence]]'s age) -- I can't really see a better way to handle it.  If you have suggestions, they're more than welcome. - [[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]] 19:32, 17 December 2006 (PST)

Black Powder war has now been released in the UK, but I definately think the issue arrises with info on book 4. See Spoiler section below. There may again be issues that pop up with US, UK release dates. Perhaps the main page warning could mention the difference between US and UK pub dates?--[[User:Andrew|Andrew]] 02:22, 12 January 2007 (PST)

Hello. I'm new here, but I consider myself somewhat of a history buff and I wish to help whenever I can. Can someone tell me what events you need me to work on? If it has something to do with history that I know of, I'll help. Thanks! --[[User:BattleWiz88|BattleWiz88]] 22:13, 2 February 2007 (PST)

Hi, battlewiz -- you might check the "battles" category (under military) and see what needs working on -- though keep in mind we're interested in the fictional version of history as told in the books, not a pure historical facts!  -[[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]] 19:26, 3 February 2007 (PST)

Understood! I've already started editing a page. Although, I must say, there really isn't too many pages I can edit here! I'm going to have to read the book again! --[[User:BattleWiz88|BattleWiz88]] 11:46, 4 February 2007 (PST)

The fourth book is going to be out in a bit. I believe the title of it is Empire of Ivory. You probably already know this, but I was just wondering. When will we add a page for it? After it's published? Or add a page now and edit it afterwards?--[[User:BattleWiz88|BattleWiz88]] 20:21, 1 April 2007 (PDT)

== Interwiki link templates ==

<nowiki>{{Wikipedia}}, {{Wikimedia}}, {{Meta}} and {{Wiktionary}} -- to simplify links to other wikis. Use a | after the name of the template to indicate your target page. </nowiki>

<center>
{| {{Prettytable}}
|-
|{{Hl3}}|'''Description'''
|{{Hl3}}|'''You type'''	
|{{Hl3}}|'''You get'''
|-
|align="left"|Interwiki link to Wikipedia
|align="left"|<tt><nowiki>{{Wikipedia|Napoleon}}</nowiki></tt>
|align="left"|{{Wikipedia|Napoleon}}
|-
|align="left"|Interwiki link to Metawiki
|align="left"|<tt><nowiki>{{Meta|Help:Categories}}</nowiki></tt>
|align="left"|{{Meta|Help:Categories}}
|-
|align="left"|Interwiki link to Mediawiki
|align="left"|<tt><nowiki>{{Mediawiki|Manual:FAQ}}</nowiki></tt>
|align="left"|{{Mediawiki|Manual:FAQ}}
|-
|align="left"|Interwiki link to Wiktionary <br />
(shows target word only)
|align="left"|<tt><nowiki>{{Wiktionary|frigate}}</nowiki></tt>
|align="left"|{{Wiktionary|frigate}}
|}
</center>

I figured the dictionary link was most likely to be used in text, while the others are for "External Link" sections or metapages, and included the target word only.  And if you don't like this method, the manual external link method will still work.

== Spoilers ==

I know that as the wiki is based on books that people may not have read, avoiding spoilers for every potential viewer is all but impossible. One thing I would like to suggest though is removing the spoilers that have been posted for book 4. Whether these come from information elsewhere on the web, or from reading's taken from the next unpublished book, they can be quite distressing if you didn't want to see it. And even just seeing the spoiler warning can tell you plenty.

Is it possible to keep the information on the wiki soley to the published work? Backing out information like that on [[Obversaria]]? Another point worth noting is that the warning on the Main Page does not let you know there are potential spoilers for book 4.--[[User:Andrew|Andrew]] 02:08, 12 January 2007 (PST)

I was wondering if it would deviate too much from our "history book" type approach to create a page specifically for spoilers. That way there could be a place were just people who would want to read the information could find it? -- [[User:Strangerface|Strangerface]] 12:49, 13 January 2007 (PST)

That seems an excellent compromise. It means that people can get spoilers if they want them, and the articles can be written so there's not such a rush around release time, but it also means people won't come across them in error. --[[User:Andrew|Andrew]] 10:14, 14 January 2007 (PST)

I think that's a good idea.  Why don't we put it under the TemeraireWiki hierarchy, so it doesn't show up in the regular A-Z. - [[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]] 18:48, 16 January 2007 (PST)

How do I do that? - [[User:Strangerface|Strangerface]] 21:48, 9 February 2007 (PST)

Done; here -- [[TemeraireWiki:Spoilers]].  -[[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]] 18:33, 13 February 2007 (PST)

== Categories ==
Currently there are categories for types of things, i.e. individual dragons, people, dragon breeds, battles (see [[Special:Categories]] ).  "People" have subcategories of their nationality (Chinese, British, French).   And similarly, "Military" has subcategories of "British Military" and "French Military".  I would like to add to this so that people can cross-browse between French dragons, French people, and French dragon breeds.  It is unclear at present, but I would clarify nationality as birth nationality.  

Perhaps more controversially, but in the spirit of Temeraire himself, I would propose that "People" be expanded to include both dragons and humans.  I think he would be disturbed to not find dragons among his list of people.  Subcategories of "People" could be "Dragons" and "Humans".  At least, there should be some category which spans both dragons and humans as sentient beings, though it could be something other than "People".  
--[[User:Jhkim|Jhkim]] 16:19, 29 January 2007 (PST)

Uh, I think "people" pretty clearly refers to humans, not dragons.  I think calling dragons people, which they are clearly not, would be dreadfully confusing.   Temeraire does not call people dragons or dragons people.  So, really, I would say no to that.  I think keeping People and Dragons as separate categories is a logical use of categorization.

In general, I do not have a problem with adding categories if they're needed and will be truly helpful to users in finding things, but every time we do so, it creates a considerable amount of work, and IMO, that time could better be spent, at this point, in writing articles.  But if we do add dragons and dragon breeds by nationality, are you volunteering to go back through all existing articles and update them with the appropriate categories?  

I am still concerned by this notion of categorizing dragon breeds by nationality.  It seems to be an area ripe for confusion.  The nation where a breed originated may have ceased to exist -- what if we get a dragon that was originally domesticated by the Romans?  Well, "Italy" is kind of misleading, because "Italy" was not a nation-state at the time.  "Roman Empire Dragons" indicates little geographically speaking, considering the size of it, and is basically useless information.   Where do the ferals go?  What about cross-breeds?   If we were going to do this, I would prefer it to be in a manner that indicates *geography* rather than nationality, which is a political identifier rather than a geographic one.  - [[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]] 17:49, 29 January 2007 (PST)

Yes, I was volunteering to go back through existing articles and updating them with appropriate categories.  That was what I had been doing.  

As for the nationality question, the books generally classify breeds as French or British or Chinese, and usually that is the only thing we know about the origin of the breed.  Yes, there can be edge issues here, but the same is true for categorizing people as British, French, or Chinese.  What do we call a British subject of Chinese ancestry, or vice-versa?  For that matter, Laurence himself is both a member of the Imperial family of China and a British subject.  I don't think it's that big a deal to apply basic categories.  
--[[User:Jhkim|Jhkim]] 12:18, 30 January 2007 (PST)

== Wiki Icon ==

Does anyone know how to add an icon to the wiki so that it shows in the web address bar and on favorites lists? I know there is one on Naomi's main site, it seems a shame that it's not here too.

It's called a favicon.ico, and I'm not sure why it isn't showing here, as we're all on the same server.  I'll try to find out. - [[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]] 17:12, 2 February 2007 (PST)

== Book Four ==

The fourth book is going to be out in a bit. I believe the title of it is Empire of Ivory. You probably already know this, but I was just wondering. When will we add a page for it? After it's published? Or add a page now and edit it afterwards?--[[User:BattleWiz88|BattleWiz88]] 20:21, 1 April 2007 (PDT)

(Moved to new section) We can add a meta-type page (like [[His Majesty's Dragon|this one]]) for it anytime -- we'll definitely add it when we get the cover art.  No spoilers will be added to the content pages, though, until after it's released.
--[[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]] 10:01, 3 April 2007 (PDT)

Can we take the cover art from [http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/0345496876.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_V25121472_SS500_.jpg Amazon] or do we have to wait for permission? -- [[User:Strangerface|Strangerface]] 14:55, 7 April 2007 (PDT)

We can take it from Amazon, that's fine! -[[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]] 22:57, 10 April 2007 (PDT)

I noticed the main page now has the US pub date. The UK pub date is 5th Nov 2007, [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Empire-Ivory-Bk-Naomi-Novik/dp/0007256736/ref=wl_it_dp/026-9949762-6926828?ie=UTF8&coliid=IJGRMM5LZW262&colid=35TVTZO1MQZ8D Amazon.co.uk] and I was wondering if this should be added as well? In addition, the difference between the two publication dates means (Or at least I feel) that Empire of Ivory information could do with extra spoiler warnings if it is put up between those two dates. --[[User:Andrew|Andrew]] 05:20, 30 May 2007 (PDT)

It's no problem adding the info, but if we want spoiler warnings, we need to come up with a scheme for them beforehand, so they can easily be removed afterward, like putting them into their own category.  Or something.  But we don't want lots of stray spoiler warnings around... -[[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]] 21:36, 31 May 2007 (PDT)

== New Stories ==

I believe Naomi Novik has posted at least one short story in the Temeraire universe on her website - the name escapes - which I haven't found mention of. Posting it under 'The Story So Far' seems a bit excessive for such a short work, but do we have it anywhere else?

----[[User:Железное крыло|Железное крыло]] 15:53, 6 May 2007 (PDT)

The excerpts are mentioned in the spoilers page [[TemeraireWiki:Spoilers]] but "Feast or Famine" has no mention that I know of, which is indeed truly sad. -- [[User:Strangerface|Strangerface]] 19:59, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

== Clarification on Images ==

We're going to follow this policy on uploadng images to the wiki.

You may upload an image if:

1) You have created it (drawn, rendered, whatever) yourself.  (Scanning artwork by someone else doesn't count as "created.")

2) You have talked to either myself or [[user:strangerface|strangerface]] about it.  If you write us about an image you've found on the web, please include the URL of the page where you found it.

If it's clearly a public domain image, we'll have no problem with you uploading it.  If it's not, or the artist hasn't granted permission (like a CC license) to use the image elsewhere, it probably won't be allowed here.

Thanks for your help.  We know that it would be great to have more pages with images, but we can't do it unless it's something we're allowed to use.  

-[[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]] 15:03, 14 May 2007 (PDT)

== Looking for something to do? ==

-- Start articles for any of the characters listed in [[:Category:Historical Figures]].

-- Start articles for the ground crew that don't have them yet (red links) in [[Temeraire's Officers & Crew]].

-- Start articles for the crew that don't yet have them in [[HMS Allegiance]].

None of these need to be elaborate; just getting the templates going, adding categories, etc. would be very helpful.  (Make sure to include the expand template, though!)  

It may seem like busy work, but it really does help -- it makes it much easier for those who just want to do the writing part.

If you are one of those "I just want to write, and I can't do any wiki markup but a simple link" people, the place for you to check is [[:Category:Articles to be expanded]].  Pick one that's of interest and write your little heart out.

Please do not spend your time, for the moment, trying to reorganize categories or do anything administrative -- our focus should be on expanding the content.  

-[[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]] 11:03, 16 May 2007 (PDT)

On editing the historical figures - do we want to link in with wikipedia for each of them?  I've noticed wiki links in the body of some biographies, but only to other people mentioned in the body.  There is no link for the person the page is actually about.  Is it fitting to add it for each of these figures? [[User:Thistledown|Thistledown]] 08:48, 30 September 2009 (PDT)

:It depends, really -- if the RL story is considerably different than the one in the books, then it's not going to be helpful and could be confusing.  More often than not, I'd have to say no, though it could be a useful resource to add to the Talk page. - [[User:Whitearrow|whitearrow]] 13:27, 6 October 2009 (PDT)

== Editing Main Page ==

Editing the main page doesn't seem to be open to everyone at the moment. In any case, it should be updated to move [[Empire of Ivory]] into "The Story So far" and it could even put "Victory of Eagles" into Empire's current place. I know that it's only been out a day in the UK officially, but it's been in the shops since last week and the site content now covers a fair amount of Empire information. --[[User:Andrew|Andrew]] 03:59, 6 November 2007 (PST)

We should also edit the main page so Victory of Eagles has it's page linked to the main page, not just it's cover image.[[User:Thistledown|Thistledown]] 15:24, 5 October 2009 (PDT)

== Facebook group == 
[[Arkandea]] I have created a Temeraire fan group on Facebook and would appreciate if anyone here joins it!! The group's page links back to the Temeraire wiki. Thanks everyone

Here is the link: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=214172876577&v=wall

== Tongues Of Serpents ==

The cover of Tongues of Serpents has been released on the main website, as well as an excerpt. Should we replace the picture of Victory of Eagles with it, and change the title to "The Upcoming Sequel"?

Here's the page with the picture:
http://www.temeraire.org/index.cgi?pagetype=bookdetail&book=tonguesofserpents

== Translations for French statements in the books ==

Should we create a page listing the translated versions of the French conversations in the books? I've got a list of almost all of the statements, and a translation for each from Babel Fish, so I can upload it whenever if we need to. What do you think?

== List of books in the Temeraire series ==

Can someone place a link to this on the main page? At the moment, it's an orphaned page (no other pages link to it on the wiki), but it contains links to the wiki pages for all the canon material (the six novels, and the short stories published elsewhere). It won't let me add it; could someone with the proper wiki privileges fix that?

== Diagrams from back of first book ==

I was browsing the offical website, and in the galleries section it has the two diagrams from His Majesty's Dragon (picture links below);

http://temeraire.org/gallery/d/1697-2/yellow_reaper.jpg
http://temeraire.org/gallery/d/1694-2/silhouettes.jpg

Can we save these pictures to the wiki and use them for the Dragon Rigging and Dragon Breeds articles, respectively, or would that be a copyright breach? I also wonder if we should add them to the page for His Majesty's Dragon for the sake of readers outside of the US, because the images are not included in the UK edition (titled Temeraire - the appendices are intact but the pictures aren't. And on that matter, I think the map of Australia and Larrakia is missing from the UK edition, or at least it was at the Borders store I visited.). [[User:Almaron|Almaron]] 03:10, 3 September 2010 (PDT)

== Suggestion for cleaning up the Wiki ==

Okay, at the moment I'm going through the lists of Special Pages to fix all Orphaned and Dead-End Pages as simply as possible, but it strikes me that we do need to several more "group" pages. We have several pages detailing Draconic characteristics, but we don't have a central "Dragon" page for all of these to be linked to. 

In addition to this, we have thousands of pages mentioning historical figures that need to be cleaned up. We could continue as we currently are doing; where we make a page for the relevant historical figures and then add a sub-section detailing how history has changed, or we could group all historical figures into one large list, and handle things from there.

Alternatively, we could make a list for the historical figures who are only briefly mentioned, and include links to the pages of the major historical figures. Thoughts on this? [[User:Almaron|Almaron]] 00:17, 2 October 2010 (PDT)

== We need a countries portal - Opinions? ==

As time is going on, we're getting more and more information about the different regions of the world, and how they are changing. We've got a few pages at the moment that detail various regions of the world, such as the page for [[Europe]] and its countries, including a small page for [[Great Britain]], and the [[Tswana Kingdom]] page that details some of the sub-saharan tribal borders, but no page for China, Africa or Australia, the latter of which has now gained a complex trading network amongst the native tribes. There's too much information here that's not getting listed. I'd start typing up these pages but for one thing; I don't know where these pages should link back to. They could all link back to the Places category, I suppose, but I've also made this map of the world [http://www.temeraire.org/wiki/Image:Temeraire_Map.PNG] as it would have appeared in the series (based off historical notes and story events), and I think that could make a good starting point. Thoughts? [[User:Almaron|Almaron]] 01:20, 24 October 2010 (PDT)

== New Pictures - not by me! ==

The artist "seabubbles" [http://seabubbles.deviantart.com/gallery/] on DeviantArt has done a series of pictures detailing several dragon breeds. I meant to upload these to the wiki a while back, but was preoccupied with other things. The artist is fine with us uploading her pictures, as seen in the comments list on this page [http://seabubbles.deviantart.com/art/Chequered-Nettle-192149143?q=gallery%3Aseabubbles%2F26461169&qo=8]. [[User:Almaron|Almaron]] 22:19, 21 March 2011 (PDT)

== Answers from Naomi Novik ==

The information from this needs to get added to several articles eventually. I'd do it myself - in fact I have things that I want to add to several pages - but I'm too busy at the mo.

Here's the link [http://sf-fantasy.suvudu.com/2011/08/ask-naomi-novik-summer-edition.html] and I'm sure there have been several before this. We should list them in Meta, just like the page for the Interview.

== Main Page needs updating ==

Is there any chance we could get the Main Page unlocked, or perhaps grant another user the rights to edit the Main Page? We've still got the cover of Tongues of Serpents up and listed as the newest book, when we should replace it with Crucible of Gold. [[User:Almaron|Almaron]] 17:24, 10 March 2012 (MST)

== Front Page Update Suggestions ==

Who is supposed to be maintaining the front page? Actually, has there been any activities at all since this Wiki has came online again?

Anyways here are a few updates I think should be made. Please feel free to add in whatever I have missed that you feel should be included as well:

- Indicate the upcoming finale "League of Dragons" after Blood of Tyrants, with a heading something along the line of "The Story Finale" or something like that.

- Blood of Tyrants is already released. Update that.

- Is it just me or is the sidebar dislocated?