http://naominovik.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Starsteel&feed=atom&action=history User talk:Starsteel - Revision history 2024-03-29T15:04:26Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.27.1 http://naominovik.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Starsteel&diff=5731&oldid=prev Starsteel: /* New Book? */ 2009-07-21T02:33:45Z <p>‎<span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">New Book?</span></span></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left" data-mw="interface"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr style='vertical-align: top;' lang='en'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;">Revision as of 02:33, 21 July 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l11" >Line 11:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 11:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[User:Rose|Rose]] 17:22, 5 March 2009 (PST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[User:Rose|Rose]] 17:22, 5 March 2009 (PST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Thank you i am glad to hear it</ins></div></td></tr> </table> Starsteel http://naominovik.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Starsteel&diff=5695&oldid=prev Rose: /* New Book? 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into them. mainly novik has recounted old wars and found ways for the dragons to have been involved, so if she puts in another war i hope it will be sligtly different. for one thing it's been easy (in general) to find out the outcomes of these battles from commen knowledge or from a history book. i know several people who find out the outcomes of these battles before they read them, and people who have made timelines, in a school say, so they know if the battles will be won or lost.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>&#160;</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; 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Like for instance, what would you think if you started a battle in the book that, in history books, said no one on the side Temeraire was on survived? you would probably think she would change the outcome of the battle.</ins></div></td></tr> </table> Starsteel http://naominovik.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Starsteel&diff=4995&oldid=prev Rose: /* Predicting the Battles */ 2008-09-25T14:22:04Z <p>‎<span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Predicting the Battles</span></span></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left" data-mw="interface"> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr style='vertical-align: top;' lang='en'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;">Revision as of 14:22, 25 September 2008</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l85" >Line 85:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 85:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; 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