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Hey!

I saw that you've started this over on livejournal, and in your getting started that you might want a CSS/HTML editor and/or an artist. I've not edited Wiki sites before but I'm pretty fluent in buth CSS and HTML (anything I don't know, I'm willing to learn!), Photo-shop savvy and I'm looking for projects at the moment. And of course, I love Temeraire, so I'd be pretty excited to help out.

I'm off to poke around the place now and see how this thing works. It looks pretty nifty already!

Li

Hi, Li!

Glad to have you here!

I'd love to see something for the front page that looked a little nicer than what we have now, while communicating the same basic content.

If you'd like to play around with it, just start a page called front_test or something, and experiment to your heart's content!

A wiki you might want to look at is the Battlestar Galactica one, here: http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

Let me know if you have any questions!

-whitearrow

heeee!

I can try to make one article a week expanded. Just tell me an article to expand, and i'll happily research it a bunch and add to it. feel free to contact me at msleppy@gmail.com

Hi -- I don't really have a priority list or anything as far as expansion goes, so just pick an article that seems of interest to you! I appreciate the help!

- whitearrow

dragon categories

Hi there. I started out on the wiki with a plan of adding in more detail on the Chinese dragons from Throne of Jade. I started with sorting by nationality, so that you could browse by nationality rather than just by first letter. However, the category for Chinese Dragon Breeds was deleted without comment. So, what's up? It seemed to me that browsing by nationality adds to the information and functionality. --Jhkim 23:06, 28 January 2007 (PST)

Hi -- more detail on the Chinese dragons is definitely welcome! With respect to the categories, I'd like to keep the categories to a manageable number while we concentrate on getting articles written -- I've seen wikis with things categorized down to an inch of their life, and frankly, it becomes more confusing than helpful. The current category structure is something I drew out on paper, with the goal in mind of being useful but simple, and not so overspecific that we end up with tons of categories and subcategories that only have 3-5 articles each.

Secondarily, although we may eventually want to categorize the dragon breeds by some kind of geographical grouping, I'm not sure nationality is necessarily the best route to go. It has more than one meaning -- is it the nation the dragon is loyal to, or where that particular breed was first discovered or bred? If it's the second (which I think would be more useful) then "nationality" can be kind of misleading (it's been a bit problematic in some cases with "National Loyalty" in the dragon profile) and I think we need another name and way to make it clear.

So I think it's something that needs a bit more thought before we plow ahead, and it's not something we need to decide right away. Plus, once we decide to go ahead, someone needs to take the responsibility for putting all the dragons into their proper subcategories -- which is about 60 pages that will need updating. At the moment, I'd rather that kind of time be spent on writing new articles -- we have red links that need help all over the place. :)

I'm sorry I didn't explain more thoroughly, that was my bad, and I apologize! - whitearrow 09:39, 29 January 2007 (PST)

OK, I'll bring up the topic of categories on the general Talk page. I think that with breeds it is fairly clear that "Chinese dragon breeds" refers to breeds which came about in China rather than national loyalty. In general approach to wikis is to add in information and then refine it later, rather than holding off adding until a master plan is complete. However, if it's controversial then I'll certainly discuss it first. --Jhkim 15:54, 29 January 2007 (PST)

I totally agree with the approach of adding *information* -- but categorizing isn't really adding information, it's organizing it, and I think we'd be better serving the wiki to approach that in a methodical way. Saying that "Chinese dragon breeds" refers to breeds which originated in China makes sense -- but it might not for all other breeds (where do the ferals go, for example?) and if we're going to categorize, we have to do it for all the breeds, not just for one subgroup, or it doesn't make much sense to do it. - whitearrow 17:37, 29 January 2007 (PST)

Here's a question, you know the format at the top of the dragon's pages? How about adding to the line "Captain" to make it "Captain/Companion"? Otherwise, at a glance, many dragons seem to be feral that are not. For instance, Lung Tien Chu has no "captian", but is "companion" to the Jiaqing Emperor. I would be willing to do this myself if you agree that it would make sense to do so. skie 06:10, 27 May 2008 (PDT)

Dragon Art

hi I'v been drawing dragons for a while and wondered if it would be helpful if I added pictures to each of the breeds? I have a Regal Copper finished shall I add it to the wikki? Garnet

Hi, yes, we'd love more fan art. Please upload as .jpgs. If you need to see how to add art to a page once its uploaded, take a look at the Temeraire page. I can tweak in the article if need be. - whitearrow 11:49, 29 January 2007 (PST)

Page to Remove

Hi, Just in case you don't spot it in some other way. There's a second page about Jeremy Rankin, called just Rankin that someone's posted that should probably be deleted. I don't have the ability to do it as far as I know. Do you? Or indeed do I and I need to learn how? :D --Andrew 08:05, 5 February 2007 (PST)

Hi, thanks -- deletion is restricted for the moment, just out of caution. That page definitely needed deletion, though, and I took care of it. Thank you for pointing it out. - whitearrow 08:32, 5 February 2007 (PST)

Restricting deletion is very sensible. I'm just glad that it's done. :D --Andrew 13:22, 5 February 2007 (PST)

A Fan

Hey just a normal fan here, if you want in my spare time i can make a few summeries of the books, i love reading and i can remember events pretty good, if you want me to just say the word and i will start working when im off.

Hi -- we're not really looking for summaries as such, but for contributions to specific articles. A good place to check is in the Getting Started article, which is linked from the front page. There's also lots of useful information in the Help section, if you decide you'd like to contribute. Thanks! -whitearrow 14:33, 6 February 2007 (PST)

Articles on historical matters (new!)

Hi there! I noticed your call for 'history buffs', and although I'm no expert, I love the books (and history in general) well enough to want to be involved. However, about some of the stubs regarding historical figures, events, and objects... is it reasonable to include historical facts such as Nelson's birth of date, even though it's not mentioned in the three books? In other words, when can history be assumed as canon? (Sorry if the question is silly.)

Also, would the TemeraireWiki like cover scans from the UK editions of the books, to complement the American versions?

viviena 02:15, 9 February 2007 (PST)

I know I'd love to see the UK covers on here too. I can't speak for everyone though. Regarding Nelson, there is a brief mention of him in Temeraire (Or His Majesty's Dragon) as he survives the Battle of Trafalgar. I think Lawrance also mentions meeting him at the Battle of The Nile. So I expect including his DoB is reasonable. More generally though, the matter is tricky. What about Pitt's death in Black Powder War? How close does that match the historical dates? Can we assume everything is business as usual unless told otherwise? --Andrew 03:57, 9 February 2007 (PST)

Hi, Viviena -- Easy question first -- yes, we'd love to have the UK covers. Great idea!

As to the historical events -- we can't be 100% sure what's safe to assume and what's not, but assuming that history is the same until contradicted is pretty much the approach that strangerface and I took when we were getting things started here back in the fall. I think stuff like Napoleon's birthday is probably safe to assume -- if it's contradicted later, well, we change it!

Overall, what I was really hoping for was for someone well-versed in history to take a look at pages like those under Category:Battles and take a pass at making them as historically authentic as possible, while including the changes in the text -- like the involvement of dragons! If you read the description, of, say, the Battle_of_Trafalgar, it really is quite similar to the historical one, except for, you know, dragons! I did the best I could on my initial draft of pages like this, but I am no expert on naval warfare, and I'm sure someone who is could add a lot of insight and authenticity to the page.

If you have a look here, there's a fairly long list of historical figures who have no page at all yet -- any help on them would be most appreciated, even brief biographical stubs. - whitearrow 09:56, 9 February 2007 (PST)

Another artist! (new?)

Hi there. :) I'm a roaming artist who just lately stumbled into the Temeraire fandom, and I have to say I'm enthralled. If you'll have me, I'd love to join in on the project of illustrating the dragon breed pages (and individual dragons, too, as needed).

I can probably also cook up maps as needed, though it's been a while since I did any serious cartography... I'm also happy to do polishing/spot-editing of articles as I see errors, and can probably be induced to help out with filling in the pages on historical personages. ;) Give me a holler if there's something in specific you want to see my energies directed toward. Tesseractseraph 18:14, 13 February 2007 (PST)

We'd absolutely love it -- begin anywhere you like; anyone can upload! Re maps, I'd love a map showing the sea journey from England to China, and the overland journey from China -> Turkey -> Prussia. Really, we'd appreciate any way you'd like to contribute! Thank you! -whitearrow 18:35, 13 February 2007 (PST)

contributions

You definitely have a job ahead of you.

I was thinking about making contributions to the Wiki,but I am not much of a historian. As far as the Characters go( I see a couple of the admirals need a biography)how accurate do they need to be? I assume fictional characters don't necessarily need to have historical accuracy. So, do I get to indulge my "creative side" on something like that? Please let me know if I can be of help in any way.

Mark P. Arsenault (scifinc@yahoo.com)

- Hi Mark -- we'd like the entries to be "accurate" as far as the books go, not necessarily real life. See the discussions on the main talk page re historical figures. As far as indulging the creative side, we hope people will do that with way they choose to write, but not with the "facts" themselves. If contributors begin making things up wholesale, the wiki won't be of much use to those trying to find information from the books, which is what we hope to do.

-whitearrow 21:58, 12 March 2007 (PDT)

interview

If its ok i would like to ask you a few questions. Here they are: 1.who is your favorite fiction writer? 2.what is your favorite fiction book? 3.have you read a book that was hard to put down? 4.what are five book that you think are the best sellers and best to read in order please? 5.what do you know about Naomi Novik?--Allen Adkins

                                       (southpointwonder)

if you responde you will be helping me a lot for my project on fantasy/fiction and i would realy Appreciate it. the reason i chose fantasy/fiction is i read Naomi's books and fell in love. thank you for your time and effort in reading this and i do hope you respond. one more thing is the fourth book out Empire OF ivory?

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Hi there -- I'm sorry, I don't think I could really give simple answers to any of your questions (I don't have *one* single favorite writer), and time constraints prevent me from giving detailed ones. I'm not particularly interesting anyway :) To answer your other question, Empire of Ivory will be out in October. Good luck on your project.

-whitearrow 12:33, 9 May 2007 (PDT)

Wiki Vandals

Is there anything the rest of us can do to keep the wiki vandals at bay? It looks like they've attacked the Andrew Morgan page again as well as the Help:Tables and Help:Variables pages. And the new user User:Jiutian's page looks like car rental add once you translate it with Babelfish. Starts out like this: The Shanghai automobile rents | the commerce to rent a car - the Shanghai white Kang automobile to rent 021-51020177

And the user list is full of 6 character accounts that look like junk . . .  :( So, anything we can do to help? --Mooir 18:01, 6 June 2007 (PDT)

sigh:: sadly, no -- just keep letting me know so I can rollback (actually, ya'll can do that part, too, I think?) -- but poke me anyway, so I can ban the users. We've installed a couple of plugins that I hope will help, but it's no magic bullet -- and there's no easy way to delete users, unbelievably. We're banning the IP's too now, so that should help somewhat. Letting me know is the best thing. Thanks :( -whitearrow 19:08, 6 June 2007 (PDT)

I think only sysops can do rollbacks. I don't see the ability like I do on my wiki's sysop account. But I'll see if I can find out anything about user deletions. Thanks, I'll keep my eyes open. --Mooir 17:56, 8 June 2007 (PDT)

Bah! I can see why you wouldn't allow user deletion lightly but you should still put in the ability!! It annoys me as a software engineer. Maybe this software will help Bad Behavior --Mooir 18:32, 8 June 2007 (PDT)

Problem is, I don't have server access, but I'll see if I can get this looked at. Thanks for keeping an eye on it. I just don't get it -- I mean, spammers are one thing, but what kind of thrill does someone get just from deleting a page that can easily be fixed? I don't get it. And yeah, I wish there was user deletion! Apparently it's by design, but still -- what a pain if you're trying to admin a wiki and don't have DB access. Thanks again. -whitearrow 20:12, 8 June 2007 (PDT)

Errg! The vandals are getting aggressive. Now they are using us for spam links! I updated the Vandal_report but I can't keep up with them. --Mooir 10:38, 10 June 2007 (PDT)

Under this onslaught it looks like it might be better to temporarily lock the wiki down so only sysops can make changes. These lines added to LocalSettings.php should do it.

$wgGroupPermissions['*' ]['createaccount'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['*' ]['edit'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['*' ]['createpage'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['*' ]['createtalk'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['user' ]['createaccount'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['user' ]['edit'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['user' ]['createpage'] = false; $wgGroupPermissions['user' ]['createtalk'] = false;

--Mooir 13:36, 10 June 2007 (PDT)

From now on, usernames will have to be put into the "approved" group by a sysop before they can use an account to edit. That will prevent both new and old spam accounts from being used, and hopefully, will put a stop to this once and for all. What a nightmare -- Naomi and I spent the better part of today dealing with this.

-whitearrow 19:19, 10 June 2007 (PDT)

Thank you both for your work! It is very much appreciated. As horrible as it was to watch, it must have been even worse to deal with. Medals are in order. :) --Mooir 19:37, 11 June 2007 (PDT)

General thought on categorization (inspired by dragon categories discussion)

Whitearrow,

I agree with the sentiment that categories can be more trouble than they're worth and wind up being useless. There's actually a nice set of articles at the Boxes and Arrows website that discusses the problems and challenges.

Two good articles are Improving Usability with a Website Index as well as Sitemaps and Site Indexes: What They Are and Why You Should Have Them

Once the content is added, then adding the more specific category information should be much easier. Of course having some guidelines in place will make it easier for everyone.

Response: Thanks, I'll have a look! - whitearrow 11:40, 18 September 2007 (PDT)

Dragon Math

After reading Book 4, I'm distracted by Dragon Math, especially by what might happen to Euclid. Is this something that might be of interest to others?

It's interesting but as it seemed to be based on the premise that while Dragons were happy with the idea of Great Circles, they didn't realise that two lines going North from different points were not parallel, if found it a bit odd. --Andrew 09:56, 6 November 2007 (PST)

Euclidean geometry *assumes* that the figures under consideration are being drawn on a flat surface. There are several non-Euclidean geometries based on other surfaces, including spherical geometry, which is what the dragons are discussing. Euclidean geometry seems more intuitive and practical to humans, who are stuck down close to the ground, but I would guess that for dragons flying high above the earth's almost-spherical surface, spherical geometry would come more naturally. This is why the concept of "great circles" is boringly obvious to Messoria but gave Laurence a great deal of trouble in his training. It's probably also why the first human known to write about spherical geometry, Menelaus of Alexandria, has never gotten as much press as Euclid, even though he lived a mere four centuries later.

Parallel lines are defined as lines going in the same direction. *When drawn on a flat surface*, all such lines remain at a constant distance apart. However, on a spherical surface, only parallel lines that happen to be lines of latitude relative to a common axis remain at a constant distance apart. Parallel lines that happen to be lines of *longitude* relative to a common axis eventually meet where that axis intersects the surface of the sphere, as Dulcia describes. The distance between parallel lines that are neither line of latitude or longitude relative to a common axis is variable, but I don't think the lines ever meet? (Having trouble visualizing this, need a dragon to help!)

For more fun, think about what happens to Temeraire's beloved Pythagorean theorem on a spherical surface, where a triangle can have all three of its angles being 90 degrees and where the sides of such a triangle will be equidistant. I *think* the spherical equivalent of a planar right triangle *might* be a triangle which has one 135 degree angle? Again, I'm not sure on this.

Rose 08:25, 1 September 2008 (PDT)

Team Forum?

Just an idea. Is there a forum or anything where people can discuss what they want/are trying to do or what they they need etc? This would be especially useful for researchers and artists though might also provide guidance as to where the wiki is going. It could be useful as an area to propose/critique content before submitting it to the wiki.

Generally, we use Talk pages for discussion -- most people regularly check the "recent changes" page, so they can easily see when a discussion is going on. The Help Wanted Talk page might be a good place. BTW, don't forget to sign your comments - 4 tilde (~) symbols will yield your name and the date and time of your message. -whitearrow 08:57, 2 November 2007 (PDT)

OOPs. I assumed the details would be automatically added and I never checked. A lot to learn I guess. Lord Elvewyn 06:35, 5 November 2007 (PST)

External Links

Is there a page at all for external links (related), or if not, would it be possible for there to be one? If there could be somewhere for me to post up a link to my Forum for Temeraire, then that would be most appreciated.

pommie

There's not, because it isn't really the purpose of the wiki, but I don't have an objection if one is started if there's someone interested in keeping it updated. If such a page is started, it should go under the "TemeraireWiki" hierarchy and not in the main content area. - whitearrow 21:35, 2 November 2007 (PDT)

Finding Characters

Hi! I'm kinda new here but I'm wondering if adding which book the characters first appear (and possibly killed) or if they don't "appear," are mentioned, might make it easier for people to find these in the books. And if they are killed in a different book then they first appeared they could be listed again. I don't mean adding the page numbers or anything, just which book they came out in. --skie 06:21, 9 May 2008 (PDT)

I think, myself, that it's usually pretty easy to figure out which book a character comes from (e.g., Chinese characters = Throne of Jade, etc.) but if you wanted to add that information, it should be in footnote form, in order to maintain the convention that we're writing about a real world here rather than a literary one. To be honest, I'd rather see the time spent on expanding other content! Hope that helps -- whitearrow 09:34, 9 May 2008 (PDT)

Sorry about that comment/question. My mind was running on caffine and it gets kinda sketchy when that happens. Though I'm kinda new to editing existing sites, especially a Wiki(this is the first), but could you send me a mesage of the contents or parts you need expanded? I'll try my best!--skie 12:29, 10 May 2008 (PDT)

Skie, just look under Category:Articles_to_be_expanded. You might also want to check out the Getting Started page in the Help section (linked in the bar on the left). Hope that helps -- whitearrow 13:49, 10 May 2008 (PDT)

I find hitting "Random Page" a great way to find stuff I'd like to edit. I makes it a more open challenge. Andrew 09:45, 15 May 2008 (PDT)

That's a great idea, but with my current luck I'll click "Random Page" like a hundred times and still not find any pages that need expanding. But I can certainly try it anyway.--skie 05:40, 16 May 2008 (PDT)

More pages to remove

Please remove one of the pou-de-ciel articles and the recent Battle of The Nile article. I've asked a French teacher about the pou/poux controversy and she said that it's one word, 'poux' is simply plural.

Discussion subjects

Hi!

I don't know if you want to consider this or not. One of the reasons I joined the wiki was to have discussions about subjects or to speculate on the same. As an example there was a resent post on how the Jade dragons function with out captains and if small dragons might work with larger ones sort of like planes land on air craft carriers. There are days I wish I could find this type of postings in an easier format. Could we group subjects discussed under headings? Maybe it's just me, but I find myself reading the books for the culture of the dragons, the arial corp, and details on dragons almost as much as to find out what Temeraire and Laurence are doing. (Oh, I can see the issues of this world's National Geographic.) All right, maybe more on what Temer is up to. I know a lot of really hard working folks have contributed material that I love to look at - like all the info on dragon breeds. Please tell Moori(?) that I like her art work. That woman could work for the Peterson's Field Guide if they ever did one on mythical beasties.

By the way, is there an Society for Draconic Research? If there is, can I join?

It's O.K. to share this if you want or put it up for a vote.

Hi there -- As far as I know, there's really no way to facilitate a discussion-only type board on the wiki itself, as the software isn't really designed for that. The best way to discuss on a wiki is to use the Talk page, and to find out what other people are doing most recently, use the "Recent Changes" page, which is linked via the sidebar to every page on the site. You can also use the "Watch page" option on talk pages as well, so you'll get an email every time the page changes. BTW, if you use 4 ~ characters, it will leave your signature after your post. :) Hope this information helps! - whitearrow 10:36, 20 June 2008 (PDT)

The use of the Recent changes special page is ideal to see what people are up to at the moment. In terms of wider ranging discussion the User talk pages like this one are quite useful and as they show up in the Recent Changes probably work reasonably well. Feel free to have a look at mine for some speculative areas I'm interested in and that there was some small discussion about recently. Andrew 05:48, 27 June 2008 (PDT)

More dragon art

Uh... hi!

Anyway, I'm one of those Temeraire universe RPers, and do a bit of sketching on the side. Because of that, I've started drawing some of the characters from the role play; while the dragons themselves are non-canon, the species are (example - Exustia is a kazilik, and thus looks, well, like most other kaziliks). I've uploaded the first completed lineart... but before I: A - edit it into a page, or, B - upload more, I wanna know if it'd be OK to add those images. I also wanted to know if the quality is OK for the wiki - I tend to draw my dragon's wings a bit... "meatier" than most, 'cause little wings don't look like they'd support big dragons. --Liz 08:35, 13 July 2008 (EST)

Hi -- As long as the dragons are labeled as something that fits into canon -- e.g., "kazilik," rather than a non-canonical name, it's totally fine. If you aren't sure you want to edit them on a page, that's fine too -- just label them so they show up in the "artwork" or "illustrated dragon breeds" category, and make sure to name them so they don't overwrite an existing file. Editing them into a page is fine too! And I'm no judge of art, so I'm not gonna do that :) Hope that helps! -whitearrow 11:28, 13 July 2008 (PDT)

Oh, alright then, thanks! The filename was of the OC, but, in the description I labeled it as a kazilik - is that alright, or, should I change the file name? I highly doubt the OC names would overwrite anything else; last I checked there's no 'Exustia' in the series! ^^;

I'll edit them into a category... once I figure out how. I'm really new to this wiki stuff, I just figured that more art can always be used! -Liz 9:14, 13 July 2008 (EST)

Since the wiki is a "canonical" wiki, I'd rather have it be labeled just by the breed, to avoid confusion. Thanks. -whitearrow 19:22, 13 July 2008 (PDT) o Ok. Once I figure out how to change the file name or delete the old one, I'll change it to Kazilik(T), to avoid overwriting. Would this be acceptable? -Liz 11:24, 13 July 2008 (EST)

Anything that seems logical is fine :) -whitearrow 21:42, 13 July 2008 (PDT)

vandalism

Please remove the Dragon transport ship duplicate and consider deleting Ltdewitt00's account, because he vandalised Tharkay article.Natli 00:53, 14 July 2008 (PDT)

Done. Thank you. -whitearrow 12:13, 14 July 2008 (PDT)

I'm not sure whether the series of comments being made by Onyx really count as vandalism per se, but imho they generally seem... unhelpful :| --Wombat1138 09:50, 13 December 2010 (PST)

I've rolled back some of them and given the user a warning. Thanks for letting me know. -whitearrow 10:01, 13 December 2010 (PST)

Even more dragon art

I uploaded some of my own artwork, but I don't know how to add them to the artwork page. Heeeelp?

For each file, go to the page. Then click "edit" add [[Category:Artwork]] to each page. Then they'll show up in the artwork category. I did the one of Maximus for you, so you can see an example. Hope that helps. -whitearrow 13:37, 19 July 2008 (PDT)

Editing and deleting old pictures

Hey Whitearrow!

I've just joined up here and have been doing ok when it comes to uploading art and placing it into the artwork category. My question is concerning the editing process.

I figured since it was a b/w picture that instead of keeping the huge file sized picture I'd upload a slightly less quality version but still clean in order to save KB here and also help those with slower connections.

Question is, when selecting the upload new version of picture function off the page I see it automatically tag the destination. Though if I place in the whole Catagory Artwork in the summary would it in turn make a whole new picture instead of editing the old one?

Just wanted to check since this is my first time using a Wiki.

I'm not completely sure I understand your question -- if you want to delete a file you've uploaded, you should be able to do that by going to that file and just deleting it. Then you can re-upload the file you want. If you try to reupload a file and give it the same name, it should also prompt you about whether you want to replace the old version. BTW, please sign your comments on talk pages :) Four ~~~~ will do the trick. Hope that helps. -whitearrow 21:16, 12 August 2008 (PDT)

Thanks for replying so quickly! That is exactly what I needed to know, although when I try to go and delete the old one it mentions that I need Sysop functions in order to make that change. So for now the smaller sized picture is in the image preview and the larger one is just in the file history. Thanks again! Eike 04:44, 13 August 2008 (PDT)

Please delete "Dragons, gold & property"

I've made a mull of it (but at least I get a chance to use this recently acquired phrase).

I created an article entitled "Dragons, gold & property," but when I tried to access it from the index, I kept getting routed to "Dragons, gold", which did not exist. I copied the text of the article to a new title, "Dragons, gold and property," which works just fine. Then I posted a note at "Dragons, gold" so that the reader could access the article under its new title. However, if you have the power to make "Dragons, gold & property" GO AWAY, that would be grand.

Also, I copied the article on William Wilberforce from "Lord William Wilberforce" to "William Wilberforce," as he wasn't a lord. He was a member of the House of Commons (comparable to the House of Representatives in the States) and was addressed as Mr. (The House of Lords is comparable to the Senate in the States, except that positions are gained by inheritance rather than election.) I posted a reroute note at "Lord William Wilberforce", but if you could make it go away altogether, that would be also be good.

Thanks! Rose

I deleted "dragons, gold" but for Wilberforce I made it a redirect instead. You might want to check out how to do that for future reference -- it's in Help:Wikitext_Examples. That's what you want to use rather than note saying "please see" elsewhere. Just FYI. -whitearrow 10:57, 13 September 2008 (PDT)

Okay, I see how to do redirects now. Thanks! Rose 14:07, 13 September 2008 (PDT)

Adding a new "main category"

Mooir has done a lot of work to categorize uploaded images and artwork into three categories: Artwork Images-general Images-maps

Is there a way that "Images and Artwork" could be added to the "main categories" list, and then these three categories could be listed as subcategories of that main category so that users could get there quickly?

Or maybe this is already in place, but I'm just not looking in the right spot for it.

Rose 10:16, 7 November 2008 (PST)

Hrm -- I don't really want to mix images and artwork, as they are quite different things. Artwork is already listed on the main page. What I've done is to create a parent category for all images, and I added that under artwork on the main page. Hope that helps. -whitearrow 10:26, 7 November 2008 (PST)

That works! Thanks! Rose 10:32, 7 November 2008 (PST)

HTML Needed?

Hey I happen to love the series and I also know alot about HTML and CSS. Here are a few examples of my sites... techwebsupport.com and ecoavengers.forumotion.com all of them are using handwritten code.

Thanks Drag~ ~drag 17:49, 14 January 2009 (PST)

I don't think we're in need just now, but if that changes, I will definitely be in touch! Thanks! -whitearrow 18:49, 14 January 2009 (PST)

Image of Lawrence

Hello. Just a little note to introduce ourselves to you

We're French (but please, don't hold it against us).

We've just submitted an image of Lawrence to the wiki, after receiving Naomi's invitation to do so. We're not familiar (yet) with the wikipedia interface and do not dare to edit anything for the moment. All the more so as we've seen you've had a hard time with the wiki-vandals. Please feel free to move it wherever you see fit.

Our pseudo "Oghme" represents two persons, Ronan (alias Mirlikovir, Illustrator) and Pierre (alias Cathbad, Scriptwriter). We are working in the comic-book industry and our nook on the web is here.

Ronan is as close a specialist as can be concerning the beginning of the ninetieth century, especially as comes to warfare, equipment, uniforms,... It's his favourite period. We'll try and submit some other drawings relating to the Temeraire series in the next weeks, if you like this one. Mostly focused on characters and equipment.

Very pleased to join your community, and very appreciative of the excellent work already done here.

Yours sincerely,

two hardcore Temeraire fans !

Pierre & Ronan

We've just seen you've added the illustration to the gallery. Thanks :+) Oghme 06:26, 12 March 2009 (PDT)

Temeraire artwork from Subterranean Press

Hi there,

some time ago some of my Temeraire watercolours were posted on this Wiki. I've now received permission from Subterranean Press to also use the illustrations I created for the first three Temeraire-books as published by them for the Wiki. Unfortunately, I haven't got any experience with Wiki-posting, least of all when it concerns images. Guess I'd need some help there. For now, the artwork can be found at [1]. What should I do first? Simply upload it to the artwork-section so that others can find it there? I'm very much open for suggestions what articles the respective paintings might be appropriate for, as many of them show characters whose articles haven't got any images yet.

Thanks.

Hi -- for now, if you like, you can simply upload them -- just add [[Category:Artwork]] and the art will show up in the Artwork gallery, accessible from the sidebar. Hope that helps. BTW, if you add four tilde ~~~~ characters after your notes, it leaves a username and datestamp :) -whitearrow 13:24, 9 September 2009 (PDT)

another helper

Hi, just found this, and I'd like to help out.

I've been using googlemap to try and chart the course of Temeraire, and was hoping to link it in to here. I'm only done with book three so far though.

I'll try to help out with whatever else I can, too.

Thanks! We do have a map already with the sea journey east -- you can find it under Maps. BTW, if you add four tilde ~~~~ characters after your notes, it leaves a username and datestamp :) - whitearrow 10:22, 19 September 2009 (PDT)

Ahh. that was me. Thistledown 10:16, 23 September 2009 (PDT)

New guy who helps out

I'm basically here to help this place look better, and, as you already know, I've got an eye for proofreading. I'm reading the fourth book right now, so if you need help I'm always willing. I'm also doing a Literary Analysis paper on His Majesty's Dragon, so I may post a more detailed summary of that book in time, provided you don't mind. Wyldefyre 19:32, 25 May 2010 (PDT)

Thanks! Help out in whatever way you'll enjoy :) -whitearrow 20:05, 25 May 2010 (PDT)

Could you add this to the main page?

A while back, I made a page that linked to all the stories in the Temeraire canon, entitled List of books in the Temeraire series. It contains links to the wiki pages for the novels, the short stories, and the like. At the moment, no page links to it, and I think it should go on the main page so visitors to the wiki can find the pages quicker. What do you think?

Hrm... I'm not sure, as it's a bit redundant of the links already there, but I'll give it some thought. In the meantime, I added the "meta" category to that page, and will add that category to the list on the front page as well. -whitearrow 14:55, 15 August 2010 (PDT)

"The Story So Far:" and parser functions

Hey, I just noticed that the "The Story So Far:" list on the main wiki page doesn't have Tongues of Serpents on it yet. I wasn't sure if you just needed to get around to it, but I just wanted to point that out. Also, if you could somehow convince whoever is in charge of the website to add parser functions to mediawiki we could get really cool things like infoboxes.

Thanks!

Paul-ish 12:01, 4 September 2010 (PDT)

ToS is under "The Story Continues" :) The extension isn't my call, but I'll pass it along! -whitearrow 10:40, 11 September 2010 (PDT)

Could you remove this page?

http://www.temeraire.org/wiki/Blanpied

It's been marked for deletion for a while now, but no-one's deleted it. It was basically an advert for another series about Dragons. Interesting, but not related. Almaron 00:08, 2 October 2010 (PDT)

Maps of the Temeraire world

I seem to remember reading on a page somewhere that this wiki needed maps made of the world as it was in the 1800s. I've done a few, and they're already here on the wiki, with the sources listed on my talk page.

The full-world map is here: http://www.temeraire.org/wiki/Image:Temeraire_Map.PNG The cropped version for Europe and its variants are here: http://www.temeraire.org/wiki/Europe

Is that any help? Almaron 00:11, 2 October 2010 (PDT)

Need your opinion on this...

At the minute, I'm trying to fix some of the Orphaned/Dead-End Pages and stuff like that, and one of the things I've started is a page simply entitled "Dragon", which details the basic information about dragons, as they are depicted in this series. The page is half-done, and one thing I've done is merged a lot of tinier pages together onto this one page. Basically, do you think we should collate this together (as I already have) and delete the smaller pages, or should I change the page so that the Dragon page links to all the others?

So far, the pages that could be deleted from this wiki include;

• Dragons, gold & property and the redirect page Dragons, gold and property
• Travel speed and range
• Dragon Relationships with Captains
• Dragon rigging
• Corps Recruitment - (merged with Aerial Corps

In addition to this, I've noticed that the galleries on the official Temeraire website include the pictures from the back of His Majesty's Dragon. The two images would certainly help out the Dragon Rigging article and the Dragon Breed page, but I think that as copyrighted images, we probably wouldn't be able to upload them. Is there any way we could link to them?

Almaron 03:30, 5 October 2010 (PDT)

I would hesitate to start deleting articles at this point... I think that all of the pages listed should be marked for expansion, rather than deletion, myself. They are all separate, and important, issues that I think warrant their own pages. But I do think a general dragon-info page would definitely be a welcome addition, maybe with links to some of those other pages for more information.

Re the images, I'm not really sure... so let's put that on the back burner for now. -whitearrow 11:04, 5 October 2010 (PDT)

I've just seen the latest edits to the page, and I agree with you now; let's keep the other pages. BTW, how should we link to this? Should it be a link directly off the main page? If it's the page with all the base information for the dragons, then surely it should be the foremost page for all dragon articles? What do you think? Almaron 15:33, 6 October 2010 (PDT)

It should be properly categorized, of course (Dragons, A-Z), and I think people will find it that way -- you could also create links on other relevant pages. I don't really want to prioritize one page above all others, because what's most useful depends on the reader's interests. Proper categorization and links are the way to go, IMO. -whitearrow 16:29, 6 October 2010 (PDT)